
Lego representation of Scales being arrested defending the Library,during the eviction from Zuccotti Park.Photo Courtesy of an Occupier.
I spoke to Scales and Zack, two Librarians, when I was looking for Steve in SIS. They had come into organize and catalog books that had been building up. I offered to help so that they would feel more comfortable talking with me. Occupiers seems generally happy to speak about their passion for the movement but are generally wary of press and undercover cops. I never thought I could pass as one of those but I guess you never know.
When speaking with people at the occupation I normally don’t use recording devices. This is because its hard to work alongside occupiers while holding a something and I feel like their demeanor changes when a camera or a reorder is switched on. People tend to become more formal and I feel like they become a “representative” of the movement instead of just speaking to me normally. However I was advised that documentation is always good so for a couple of interview I tried using a recorder.This particular conversation was one of them. I had to stop using it after an hour because the recorder malfunctioned. To be honest I was glad that it did because even after an hour of standing and talking Scales and Zack kept looking down at it.
Our conversation, like most of mine with occupiers was quite “organic”, and didn’t have a particular direction. Despite my earnest attempts to direct it, the conversation was guided by want ever topic came up naturally, depending on what Scales or Zack had been thinking about at that moment.
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Me: Do you have steady members in the Library or people come and go? And if they do what do you think about that?
Scales: I like volunteers because they do the tedious shelving work and this allows me to be free to do his own projects. I recently came back from Philly. I was helping them set up their own library. I brought some of the overstocked copies of books that we had. Philly only has a few boxes of books that serve as their “library”. Also several people at the library were offered paid tickets and an invitation to a library conference in Texas. So I might go to that.My main goal at Occupy is to simply get books out to people and just focus on the library. I want to make sure that people are getting the books and recommendations that they need.
Me: Do you let your political opinions affect what you recommend?
Scales: I try not to. I do my best to be unbiased and simply be a provider of information no matter what the requester asks for. People generally ask for political books, economic books, and poetry.
The conversation then turned to the weather.This was the 29th of October,the day that there was the snowstorm. We were lucky to have been working in SIS while many people were freezing outside in the tent city. With the mention of winterization and the longevity of the makeshift tent city I asked what would they do with all of their books if Occupy no longer physically occupied Zucotti Park. Scales and Zack joked about a radical bookmobile. But then Zack became serious.
Zack: We do work with a few small bookshops that support the movement and they would probably have books available in those locations for people to still checkout, especially Blue Stocking Bookshop.
Scales to Zack: Yeah but if we do that then our ideals would be usurped by an organization.
Me: What kind of bookshops are they?
Zack: They are self- proclaimed anarchist books shops. Well you know we cant really view the our part in the movement as abstractly as other working groups. We deal with physical objects. We have books not just ideals to move. Clothes can be donated to shelters but books can’t really be donated easily.
Scales cracked a joke.
Scales: Yeah, shelters don’t really have extensive libraries.
After nodding in agreement with what Zack said we went back to working again.Scales and I labeled OWSL (Occupy Wall Street Library) on the books that hadn’t been cataloged yet while Zack took down the ISBN numbers.
Me: How do you catalog the ISBNs?
Zack: We use a library program that takes the ISBN and alphabetically catalogs them for us.
There were hundreds of books and I must have written OWSL on at least 4 boxes myself. So after sometime when I started to write down ISBN numbers as well.
Scales: You know, its our duty as a library to provide people with access to information but not to inform people of our opinions of the materials, other than to give references.I didn’t really like books before but working at the library but I began to understand people’s need for knowledge and eventually understood how to distribute it.We don’t tell people how to think or what to read or what ideology to follow. We allow them to access information to make their own decision. (He said this very emphatically and seriously. But then his faced softened and he chuckled saying, “ Occupy your mind.”)
Zack: If you don’t mind what you are doing and want to keep helping us out come to the library on Sun at 1pm.
I thanked him and said I would try to make it.Then I asked Scales why he was called Scales. He said something about how a girl named Briar, who is a one of the members that attends the Library more frequently, was playing around with gender pronouns and that he replied that he was a dragon, gender pronoun “It.” So from that conversation on she called him Scales and it stuck. Scales never actually told me his real name. But at the mention of another member I took the opportunity to ask about the working group.
Me: So, how many people worked in the library?
Both Scales and Zack didn’t know. They guessed between 10 and 20.
Me: Maybe I should ask who are the people that work the most frequently?
Zack and Scales:
Jamie, Frances, Steven, Other Steven, Briar, Eric, Betsey, Bill, Zack, Scales, Sean, Nate, Cristo, Other Zack, and Amanda.
After looking at the list I noticed that it was fairly balanced.
Me: So how is the gender balance in the working groups?
Scales laughed.
Scales: One of the worst balanced groups is Sanitation. It has only 2 or 3 girls. People jokingly call it
“Man-itation”. (He says this while chuckling.) Many women come to help for a while but there is a serious gender and female problem in the movement. A lot of people, like me, find it hard to get their voices heard. If you are a white male over 25 its easier to be heard but if you are a minority its harder.
Me: So why do you in particular find it hard?
I didn’t want to make any assumptions about him or his reason.
Scales: Because I am gay. But people recognize that its (the gender in balance) is a problem and try to respond to it but that doesn’t excuse it.
Zack: Our group has a good balance of voices.
Scales: Well, it fluctuates depending on who is present during meetings. There is a power balance between morning and night shifts because there are no women in the mornings. But we function smoothly and get along. I can’t speak for others, even though I have friends in other working groups. Our main concern is that it is important to build a community. (He then jokes)…What does Info do? They send people to Library!
Zack: The problem is open one- up -manship. They say I have been here a long time and try to have an assertion on leadership and then people get defensive. What you should actually say is I am a part of this and then they are a part of this.
I loved this quote. What he said really resonated with me because of my own struggle to find my place in the movement and trying to determine if I had the right to have one at all. And I told him so.
Zack: Well, you are here working aren’t you? So you are a part of this.
The conversation dies down and we continue working. By now the books have all been sorted so we start putting them all on to the shelves. That day the library was given two metal shelves with three sections on each shelf. Each section was big enough for someone to curl up in and sleep on. We worked for about 5 -10 minutes in silence then I asked about Finance again.
Me: So, who’s in Finance?
Scales: Who’s in Finance? They don’t even know!
We chuckled at this but it was a kind of nervous chuckle I think. So I switched topics and went back to asking about the books in Library.
Zack: Most books are political or self- published or Christian or some combination of the two.
A member of Media walked around interviewing Occupiers for Live Stream.Zack joked…
Zack: So this is what the apocalypse looks like…Snow is October with tent cities and people dressed like they are on the cover of Cult punk records.
Me: What are the books people are not taking?
Zack: The People vs. Bush by Charlotte Dennett and Diary of an Eco –Outlaw by Diane Wilson.
Me: How’s it been going? Are you guys getting what you need?
Scales: Well, we have had problems getting funding from Finance. We submitted a budget on the 28th of October but it was rejected. We are waiting to hear back again.
Me: Can you give me a run down of the stats of the library? How many books you have? Where do you get them?
Zack: There are about 1000 books in storage and 3000 to 5000 in the library itself. This doesn’t include the books that have been taken already or the number of the books that we get in triples and quadruples.
( Note:They have a lot of copies! The Library must have had at least 5 boxes of The Battle in Seattle on the shelves alone! Zack said he thought they were about 250 of them.)
Zack: Most books are donated to us by an author or a publisher. We have had Verso, Haymarket Books, AK, Metropolitan, and Picador send us books. Authors that have given us their books are Naomi Cline, Michael Moore, Chris Hedges, Glen Greenwood, and Patti Smith.
Scales: Yeah Michael Moore came in person and donated two of his signed books. I squeezed his butt!
Me: What?!
Scales: Yeah and Glen Greenwood donated 20 copies of his book.
Zack: He donated them before they were even released. That made me really happy.
Me: Sorry can you explain about how people check books out?
Zack: There is a trust system in the library. We trust you to bring it back or to lend it to someone else or we trust you to give it a good home on your shelf and to cherish it.
Me: What types of books do you both read?
The conversation was ending. We had finished working and they were about to leave. I just wanted a little more personal info about them.
Scales: Kafka, Camus, Vonnegut (The Metamorphosis)… and existential books
Zack: Philosophy and History. I like anarchist history and books about the period at the end of WW2. I also like books on Individualistic movements, the Spanish Civil War, and Labor History. I think it’s a good idea to read books about things or people that you disagree with.